domain transfers in FRED - how to charge the transaction

Dr Paulos B Nyirenda paulos at sdnp.org.mw
Wed Sep 7 11:03:41 CEST 2016


Jaromir,

Thanks for the pointers on where to get the details on logged domain transfers, we will 
certainly need this as we move into allowing transfers from now onwards.

Regards,

Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw


On 6 Sep 2016 at 12:32, Jaromir Talir wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-09-05 at 15:18 +0200, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda wrote:
> > Jaromir,
> > 
> > Thank you for the below details on transferes, however, the incidence
> > of domain transfers 
> > has been high on the ,mw registry and we would like to explore the
> > possibility of charging for 
> > them on FRED, like other registries do - for example .eu, see 
> > https://eurid.eu/en/fees-and-prepayments   
> > 
> > As  result we put this in the Fee Policy for .mw - http://www.sdnp.re
> > gistrar.mw/policy.php
> > 
> > So, I would like to explore further and more deeply how FRED handles
> > transfers.
> > 
> > Are transfers logged anywhere ?  ... can we scan for and extract such
> > data from such a log ?
> 
> Definitely. Every EPP transaction is stored in request tables. One way
> to list all transfers per registrar over last month is following SQL:
> 
> SELECT user_name, COUNT(*) FROM request r JOIN request_type rt ON
> (r.request_type_id=rt.id) WHERE r.service_id=3 and r.is_monitoring='f'
> and (DATE_TRUNC('month',time_begin::timestamptz AT TIME ZONE
> 'Europe/Prague') = DATE_TRUNC('month',CURRENT_TIMESTAMP AT TIME ZONE
> 'Europe/Prague' - INTERVAL '0 month')) AND rt.name='DomainTransfer' AND
> r.result_code_id=(SELECT id FROM result_code WHERE service_id=3 AND
> result_code=1000) GROUP BY user_name;
> 
> Just change time zone to yours.
> 
> > Can we see details of such a log in Daphne ?
> 
> Yes, you can. If you will go to Logs->Logs and select Service type =
> EPP and add Request Type filter with value DomainTransfer, you will see
> the same result.
> 
> > If enough details exist in a log on transfers then may be we can
> > process such a log and 
> > invoice the transfers at the end of the month. Would be great if
> > there was a way of doing this 
> > using the registrar deposit.
> 
> This is quite tricky and I'm afraid there is no direct function for
> general charging of unknown item.
>  
> > I guess Jaromir that you afre already doing something like that for
> > registrars who exceedsa 
> > certain number of EPP transactions at .cz. Do you then charge this to
> > the registrar credit or 
> > do you send them a separate invoice?
> 
> Yes, we have implemented this to be included in monthly invoice. 
> 
> We are internally working on refactoring of billing component so I can
> record 'charging of other things' as a feature request, but I cannot
> promise this will be implemented in following month, maybe at the
> beginning of next year.
> 
> I will try to explore other possibilities but in the meantime the only
> way is to charge registrars outside of FRED.
> 
> Regards,
> Jaromir
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Paulos
> > ======================
> > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> > http://www.registrar.mw
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Sep 2016 at 12:28, Jaromir Talir wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2016-09-02 at 11:37 +0200, Dr Paulos B Nyirenda wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Jaromir, all,
> > > > 
> > > > Our FRED registry 3R operation is going well enough that we can
> > > > now
> > > > move on to tackle 
> > > > issues on domain transfers and I have one or two questions with
> > > > the
> > > > following understanding 
> > > > that I have:.
> > > > 
> > > > 1. My understanding is that: Once auth_info has been sent from
> > > > current owner A to new 
> > > > owner B for domain dA.mw then B can do the transfer, such as
> > > > using
> > > > fred-client command:
> > > > 
> > > > transfer_domain dA.mw auth_info_A [other_options]
> > > > 
> > > > Is this correct?  what are the other options?
> > > Just small correction about term owner. There is registrar A and
> > > registrar B. Owener (registrant) is the same for the whole process.
> > > So
> > > Owner will get auth_info and send it to registrar B that that will
> > > call
> > > 'transfer_domain domain_name auth_info', there is no other options.
> > > Domain is transferred and auth_info is reset to a new value.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 2. A WHOIS query for dA.mw will then list new registrar: B
> > > Yes
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 3. System then generates new auth_info_B and assigns it under
> > > > registrar B ... right ?
> > > Yes
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 4. How can the registry charge for the transfer of the domain
> > > > dA.mw?
> > > Since there is not registry "cost" associated with transfer, there
> > > is
> > > no possibility to charge transfers. Expiration date is not changed
> > > during transfer so registry has got already paid for this domain
> > > until
> > > expiration date.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 5. What needs to be configured in FRED to charge for domain
> > > > transfers
> > > > like this one?
> > > Explained above
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 6. If this FRED config can be done using fred-admin then please
> > > > show
> > > > syntax for trhe 
> > > > fred-admin command to configure charging for domain transfers.
> > > Explained above
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 7. If there a similar arrangement for transfering other objects
> > > > like
> > > > contacts and/or nssets?
> > > Yes, contacts, nssets and keysets are transferred the same way -
> > > they
> > > have auth_info and new registrar can call trasnfer command with
> > > auth_info.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Jaromir
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Paulos
> > > > ======================
> > > > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> > > > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> > > > http://www.registrar.mw
> > > > 
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